17 HMR VS 17 HORNET I like the 17 Hornet it does something crazy like 3600 fps Any input on ether the 17 HMR or the 17 HORNET Thanks….. But, in a good rifle, the .17 Remington can be a very accurate cartridge, and has very little recoil, though the report is on the loud side for the size of the projectile. I have been thinking about buying a Savage 12VBSS in 223 Remington and rebarrel it to either 17 Rem or 222 Rem. I weighed everything they said, but found myself looking more and more at the .17 Remington. The .17 Remington is based on the .223 Remington or the .222 Remington Magnum, depending on which account you read, though looking at the design, the .222 Remington Magnum makes more sense to me. My collection will always include a .223 and .308 rifle. 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The muzzle velocities generated by the .17 Hornet run considerably slower than the .17 Remington—3650 fps for the 20-grain load, and 3870 fps for the lighter 15.5-grain NTX load from Hornady—yet the pressures, barrel wear and fouling are also less than those associated with the larger-cased .17 Remington. 17 vs .22-250 - posted in Guns, Loads, Optics and Gear for Varmint Hunting: I am buying a new varmint gun to shoot pd's and coyotes. At these velocities, the bullets are subjected to all sorts of stresses upon impact, and I’ve seen some over-zealous handloads strip the jacket from the core of the bullets. factory rounds suck! The .17 Hornet, son of the classic .22 Hornet that our grandfathers delighted in shooting, is a well-balanced design. The bolt face is the same size, but case dimensions are completely different. The taper of the case is different and the shoulder is 25 degrees necked down to the .17 bullet. My test were between CCI 400, WSR and Remington 6 1/2. Some loss of cases may occur during fireforming, but the 17 Hornet is a good one for single-shot rifle fans and exhibits decent ballistics for its size. I would not get rid of either of these little screamers. Being able to use good Lapua brass is another plus. But, within 350 yards or so, the .17 Remington makes a great varmint and predator cartridge, as the frangible bullets make very small holes in a furbearer’s pelt—and usually don’t exit—yet have enough energy and a flat enough trajectory to place shots accurately on woodchucks and prairie dogs, creating that famous red mist. Mag. Give me some input on both rifles. Lower cost and comparable quality to the 17 Fireball and 223 Rem. I am looking at a h&r .22-250 with a heavy barrel and the remmy 700 LVSF in the 17. I did a primer test with .17 Hornet yesterday. Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. With a 23-degree shoulder and a case length of 1.796 inches—the .223 Remington uses a 1.760-inch-long case—the .17 Remington often has a powder charge heavier than its bullet. The Bill Eichelberger line of cartridges uses .10-inch, .12-inch and .14-inch diameter bullets, though they are about as rare as hen’s teeth. No matter how you launch one of the 20 or 25-grain bullets, their weight and ballistic coefficient are so low that it makes the effects of wind deflection a definite consideration. The .17 is not as quiet as the Hornet and adds the additional complication of requiring .17 caliber bullets and cleaning rods which are not always easy to find. My averages for each are, WSR, 3672fps, CCI-400, 3676fps and Rem 6 1/2, 3659fps. The .17 Remington was introduced in 1971 by Remington Arms Company for their model 700 rifles.. Some loss of cases may occur during fireforming, but the 17 Hornet is a good one for single-shot rifle fans and exhibits decent ballistics for its size. Let’s take a look at the .17 Remington and the .17 Hornet and compare and contrast their attributes. Werfen wir einen Blick auf die .17 Remington und die .17 Hornet und vergleichen und vergleichen wir ihre Eigenschaften. Assuming a 200-yard zero for both cartridges, and using a 20-grain bullet for comparative purposes, the .17 Remington will hit about two inches higher at 300 yards than will the .17 Hornet (4.6 inches of drop for the Remington vs. 6.4 inches for the Hornet), yet in the hands of an experienced rifleman, that difference can easily be accounted for. Either gun will just be a range toy or rare varminting. Fireball. If it were me I would make a straight 17 Remington or a 17-204 which is about the same as the 17 Rem for the most part. Hornady has new brass for .17 Hornet. 3,650 fps muzzle velocity with a 20 gr. looks better then the 17 Rem. Basically just a fun toy for plinking paper. I can get about 3850 fps out of my 17 Rem with the 30's and the 4000+ fps barrier would just be just that little extra I'm looking for. Hunting Ammunition : Best Bullet For Your Game Without Destroying It. It feels even better shooting a projectile at more than twice the weight and twice the speed. 17 Remington is the 222 Mag necked down with shoulder bumped back. The 20-grain bullet can be pushed to over 4200 fps, and the 25-grain bullet breaks the 4000 fps mark, as well. I had zapped numerous crows with mine and a chuck or two. The .17 Remington Fireball introduced a few years ago is a somewhat larger edition of the .17 Hornet, but the Fireball is less than trendy. The small bore fouls easily, and you can see accuracy degrade in as little as ten shots in certain rifles, but they are a death ray on varmints and predators. I like the 17 Hornet but do not really call it my coyote gun but would use it if under 100 yds. Remington brass is lousy. We've got you covered.• 7mm RUM vs. .300 RUM• .308 Winchester vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. .260 Remington• .303 British vs. 8x57 Mauser• .30-06 Springfield vs. All Other .30s• .17 HMR vs. .17 WSM• .450 Nitro Express vs. .470 Nitro Express• 350 Legend vs. .35 Remington• .280 Ackley Improved vs. 7mm Rem. .17 Rem (top) v .22-250 (bottom) Q: I own a Remington Model 700 in .17 Remington that has been rebarreled with a Maddco barrel 600mm long and shoots groups averaging .25". Between the two, I find the .17 Hornet to be the more efficient, affordable and sensible choice. Others brought 22-250's and one had a 22-250 AI besides their 223's. Last year, on our week long treck, I took a 204 Ruger, two 223's, two 6mm Remingtons, and for the fun of it a 375 H&H AI and and scoped Ruger Super Blackhawk in 44 Mag. Somehow shooting a round the same diameter as the old pellet gun I grew up shooting feels good. 17 Mach IV vs. the 17 Remington, in RifleMagazine.com..17 Remington Fireball, in HuntingMag.com. The easy rimfire is the HMR, partly because ammo is so available, and partly because the A17 ammo in a bolt rifle comes pretty close to .17 WSM ballistics. Shop Great Deals for .17 Hornet in our Rifles Department | Sportsman's Guide My handloads in the .17 Hornet get around 3800, but with the 20-grain V-Max, which holds on to velocity better than the 17-grain bullets in the HMR. Log in to see fewer ads Considering each of these for my next rifle purchase. Die .17 Remington basiert auf der .223 Remington oder der .222 Remington Magnum, je nachdem, welchen Bericht Sie lesen, aber wenn ich mir das Design ansehe, macht die .222 Remington Magnum für mich mehr Sinn. Looking at the 2 calibers mostly for a short range varmint rifle, 100 - 150 yds max. That said, I own and shoot two .17 Fireballs...Remington 700 and Encore. Wow Your not Hi on the 223 or the 17s, I'm a 17/Hornet shooter from 1960 my first was built on my 1937-M-70 by P.O.Ackley in PA. Velocity is close to the .17 Remington but with significantly less powder, and therefore less heat and fouling. The latest of the SAAMI standardized centerfire .17's is the .17 Hornet, designed and introduced by Hornady. 17 Hornet 20gr. .17 Remington Fireball, in HuntingMag.com. I liked it so much that I bought a 700 VS and had it rebarreled to a .17 Rem with an HS-Precision barrel. He created this non-factory (wildcat) offering by simply necking-down the .22 Hornet to .17 caliber and fire-forming the resized cases in his new chamber design. P.S. .17 Hornet This .17-caliber version of P.O. The Remington Model 7 used to be available in .17 and it would make a good walking around … Although it shares the name and pays homage to it, the .17 Hornet is a very different thing from the .22 Hornet. 22 Hornet drops 5.8" and is blown off target by 7" in a meagre 5 MPH cross wind The 17 Hornet - drops only 2" and drifts 2.8" in comparison. 17 Hornet vs 17 Fireball - posted in Varminter Magazine - Main Hunting Discussion Forum: I am simply curious as to the opinions of others. I myself have never fired a 17 Rem.. The .17 Remington is an excellent varmint round, and the with a drop of just 3.17" at 250 yards this round is great for just that. Owning a .17-caliber rifle comes with its own set of challenges (a specialty cleaning rod must be ordered, and it’s very easy to wedge a patch in the bore), but among the centerfire choices, including the .17 Fireball, I like the .17 Hornet. In general I'd say there's at least 100 yards difference in consistent performance, maybe more like 150. Both shoot better than I can shoot them. Mag. I'm just looking to build a new coyote rifle and was wondering about the difference between the Tac 17 & the 17 Rem. Mag.• .404 Jeffery vs. .416 Rigby• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Creedmoor• .300 PRC vs. .300 Win. It’s a bonified 350-yard coyote cartridge that’s currently chambered for Savage’s Model 25 bolt action . driving a 55gn bullet at 3200fps sighted-in 50mm high at 100 metres for a 200 metre zero, shows 25mm more drop at 250 than the .17 Hornet but retains 565 ft/lb of energy which gives it over twice as much hitting power as the .17 Hornet at that distance. Some would mention the .22-250 as the ultimate long range predator gun. The 17 Remington Fireball, based on the classic .221 Remington Fireball case, is an extremely well balanced cartridge that provides laser-flat trajectory, with match grade accuracy, all in a compact package that does not require excessive maintenance and won’t burn out barrels. The AccuTrigger is crisp, breaking cleanly at 1.134kgs and recoil is too light to be felt which results in the rifle sitting steady on a rest with no perceptible movement. The latest of the SAAMI standardized centerfire .17's is the .17 Hornet, designed and introduced by Hornady. A few even recommended either a .243 or a 6mm as a good, "stop them in their tracks kind of gun". Fireball. As far as I know, Remington is the only major arms manufacturer currently producing .17 Remington and .17 Fireball rifles. The little .17 Hornet launches a 20 grain bullet at 3650 fps and the .17 Rem. I don't use magnum primers because I believe they actually degraded accuracy in my loads. I also had one of the 700 Classics, just to try out. The muzzle velocities generated by the .17 Hornet run considerably slower than the .17 Remington—3650 fps for the 20-grain load, and 3870 fps for the lighter 15.5-grain NTX load from Hornady—yet the pressures, barrel wear and fouling are also less than those associated with the larger-cased .17 Remington. Very nice caliber for varmints! #2808223 - 03/04/15 04:14 PM Re: .17 Hornet vs .17 Remington [Re: TheWolf57] AubreyD. The .17 is not as quiet as the Hornet and adds the additional complication of requiring .17 caliber bullets and cleaning rods which are not always easy to find. There have been many other variants of the .17 calibre. Last fall, my dad brought his new Savage M25 to Afognak, and after taking a few foxes with it, I knew I had to have one. as the 22 Hornet – uses the existing action Trajectory comparable to a traditional 55 gr 223 Rem… I also shoot .17 HMR, .222, .22 Hornet, and .223 in small caliber rounds. 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