It's extremely flat shooting and drops an incredible amount of energy on target. With sincere apologies to the ghost of Shakespeare, that is today’s question. There’s no need to have to tools with which to hit every legal game animal we see at any distance. Obviously, check bedding. That carries most 270-class cartridges to 300 yards, farther than most of us shoot. The .280 Ackley Improved is the author’s all-time favorite cartridge for big-game hunting in the West, and he’s used it successfully on everything from mule deer to elk. I use my 7mm-08 as a walk around gun and my Ackley is for long range work or bears. built by Shaw Barrels. Super B.C. By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily. Run with the 270 WSM or 270 Wby. That's my concern on recoil figure with the 280 load 140's or 150's. Which Cartridge Benefits Most from Ackley Improved Treatment? Die .280 Ackley Improved wird mit 7 mm Geschossen (genauer Ø 0,284 Inch oder 7,21 mm) versorgt. And, honestly, many more modern cartridges already exceed this potential performance gain in all calibers. if not cryo treated to remove stresses. Nonetheless, not everyone is happy with a 1.5” rifle, so I gave Mr. Hankins some ideas. Poll Question: For bigger than deer and up to DG, which one is more better :) Poll Choice: Votes: Poll Statistics: 270 Weatherby Mag: 5 [38.46%] 280 Ackley Improved And that may be all the reason anyone needs for going the Ackley Improved route. But I have this 700 Ti that I put a factory mountain rifle barrel in 280 that had been punched Ackley. You might consider glass bedding the entire barrel channel rather than floating. Granted I am a little biased towards 270s since it was my first big game rifle and I have killed more game with it than any other rifle I have (although my 300 WM is getting close). nor 260 A. I. because they didn’t exist as factory cartridges in his lifetime. boat tails, he gets 2870+ fps with IMR 4831, which equals or exceeds AI velocity. Joined Dec 12, 2014 Messages 46. Some rifles are finicky. Ackley reduced the original cartridge’s body taper and changed the shoulder angle to 40 degrees, which allowed for greater case capacity. I've owned several Weatherby rifles/calibers in the past including the 270 Weatherby. Mr. Ackley was very enthusiastic about the .280 Improved and told me that he felt its capacity was the maximum useable powder for 7mm. Here’s why: 280 AI shoots 50 fps to 100 fps faster than the 280 Remington with the same bullets in the same standard-length actions. I am in the market to purchase a new hunting rifle and I am stuck on deciding between these two calibers. For chasing antelope or predators, 120-grain bullets like the ballistic tip scream along at nearly 3,400 fps and … Yes, try AccuBond Long Range bullets. Thread starter Non-Lead Hunter; Start date Jan 14, 2017; Prev. Couldn't help but want to compare to the latest 6.5 design. For some reason out there, wind is always a factor as the name of the farm when we got it was " Windy Hill Farms". Unlike the.270 Winchester, the.280 Remington has been struggling almost since its inception in 1957. The.270 Winchester uses.277″ bullets while the.280 Remington,.280 Ackley Improved, and 7mm Remington Magnum all use slightly larger.284″ bullets. Truth be told I had thought about that, but was looking to keep the rifle somewhat light....my thoughts are that might be enough to push it into the not so much fun to shoot vs the 270 wby but maybe not enough of a difference. Ackley didn’t create a 7mm-08 A.I. I certainly enjoy the performance of my 280 A.I.s, and that isn’t a major step above 280 Remington performance. Try the 6.5 PRC. Re: .280 Ackley Improved any better than other 7mms? Sambubba. I certainly enjoy the performance of my 280 A.I.s, and that isn’t a major step above 280 Remington performance. Hardly worth the hassle and expense of reaming a chamber to the Ackley profile, which is why Mr. P. O. Ackley himself didn’t recommend it. Hunting. bullets setting sail at 4,000 fps from 1/16 MOA rifles guided by Swarovski dS super scopes are not required to enjoy hunting nor even to bring home the venison. I went off a 2.6" 100 yd zero … .300 WSM vs. .280 Ackley Improved. V's) that I have with other calibers and rifle brands. It's not the size of the campfire; it's the quality of the company. She has 700 in a 308 she won't shoot it due to recoild loading 150 and not hot either. Nevertheless, many shooters have ignored his advice, feeling the slight velocity gain with 150-grain bullets makes the 270 A.I. As for the old 270 Winchester, Ackley considered it already borderline overbored in its native state, so didn’t recommend giving it his A.I. Reader K. Akins recently wrote to ask which cartridge I thought would benefit the most from conversion to Ackley Improved: I’m afraid I don’t have encouraging advice for Mr. Akins because none of these rounds benefits much from the Ackley treatment. Ackley made the original chambering .014' longer than the .270 which meant that you could never chamber a .280 in a .270 which would not end well! That took care of 95% of all my shots for decades. 27 July 2001, 06:13. If, however, you are the pragmatic type, you needn’t use the Ackley treatment on any but fairly old, heavily tapered cartridges with long, sloping shoulders and necks. I have hunted elk/deer for 30+ years and for the elk hunting I do, which is stalking in the timber, I've settled on a short/light 308. Zero a modern cartridge with efficient bullets 2.5” to 3" high at 100 yards and you stay inside the 10" kill circle from muzzle to 300 yards. In my opinion the two biggest things to remember about Ackley Improved cartridges and long range shooting is that neither are necessary to be a successful hunter. It's a very capable round. I really kinda narrowed it down to the 280 AI and the 308. Even if you never hunt anything but steel plates with them, super scopes and super rifles throwing super bullets are interesting and fun. Four shots appear to be inside an inch, the 5th out about a half inch. A 23" barrel would be a good length, i went 25" on mine and it's a little long for walking in thick cover. The true beauty of this round is its versatility. AI is usually my choice, easier on brass, a little extra velocity. Or at least one of them. Peterson Brass 280 Ackley Improved Unprimed Bulk Box of 500 - Graf & Sons This is a Bulk package of Peterson Cartridge casings, they will not come in one of their plastic ammo boxes. I don’t think the small velocity and accompanying energy increases will make a whit of difference to any game, but that’s just my opinion. And that 308 can kill deer/elk out to 800+ if you're up to it. I hesitate to call hunting a game because it is not a frivolous pastime. If it doesn't, you can always easily sand it to float again. Including fly swatters. Mr. Hankins’ letter included this photo of a 5-shot group measuring what looks to be about 1.5”. Hot barrel could start touching one side or another, throwing shots. Helps stabilize them. route with any of these short action cartridges. Speaking of the 280 A.I., reader D. Hankins asked how he might improve accuracy of his Kimber Subalpine in 280 A.I. How The 27 Nosler Outdoes Other .270s: Based on the .404 Jeffery, its case has exceptional capacity. That’s boiler room, folks. The 260 A.I? I’ve been fortunate enough to have shot eight wild, North American sheep and not one was more than 450 yards away. Üblich sind Geschossgewichte von 120 grs bis 175 grs (7,8 - 11,3 g). That might be excuse enough for some to go the A.I. When comparing the 280 Ackley with similar size cartridges, it has heavier bullet options than the 270 Win, and a flatter trajectory than the .30-06 Springfield.” Peterson continued, “The.280 Ack Imp casings made by Peterson are designed for reloading. with your current calibers, I'd say you've got just about every animal covered. 308 vs 280 Ackley Improved . It delivers greater velocity than even the gargantuan .270 Weatherby. More The Gun Nuts. Nothing lost but a bit of time. The 260 AI? Just for kicks and grins. Hey guys, looking into getting a new hunting rilfe. rifles still bear his name. Latest. I did think about the 6.5x284, not dead yet but I have 2 .260s and i was looking for a bit more on them. You can always load the .270 Weatherby down to .280 AI performance levels but you can't load the .280 AI up to .270 Weatherby performance. Lots of great food for thought....thank you all. To be prepared for War is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace. The .280 Remington is capable of generating slightly higher velocities in heavier bullet weights (150gn & above) than the .270 Winchester due to a marginally greater case capacity. The .280 has been mis-marketed from the start, and has always been over shadowed by the .270 Win on one side and the 7mm Rem mag on the other. The .280 is one of my ole favorites. By knowing my trajectory curves I could hold slightly over my quarry's back at 400 yards and drop it into the boiler room. To be Ackley Improved or not to be Ackley Improved? Increasing velocity with larger doses of IMR 4831 and IMR 4350 pushed groups just over MOA. treatment. The SAAMI spec 280 Ackley Improved chamber is .014 inches shorter at the datum line headspace dimension than the traditionally accepted wildcat chamber spec as previously produced. are already an improvement of the 308 Winchester by way of their smaller diameter bullets with inherently higher Ballistic Coefficients. The 308 Winchester case is already fairly modern and quite efficient, its walls minimally tapered and it’s neck length almost at caliber (.303”) for a secure, straight grip on long bullets. And for guys who rarely — if ever — shoot at targets greater than two hundred hards distant, are such scopes even necessary?”. Looking for a new toy....i reload so no problem either way...not shooting strings but looking for some smackdown power and hunting accuracy. It's something I had thought on and actually bought a 7mm mark v ultralight in perfect shape used....but before I ever fired it I got an offer for a few hundred more than I paid.. It also utilizes the.30-06 as a parent case, and as it's necked down to.284, its bullet is exactly.007 inch larger than the.270. Do not succumb to peer pressure and buy more gadgets than you need. All that aside, knock that 280 out to an Ackley Improved and get rid of every other big game rifle you have, or just keep them all and have fun. Die Patrone eignet sich ausgezeichnet für die Gebirgsjagd auf Gams, Steinwild und Rotwild. EZ PZ. 1; 2; First Prev 2 of 2 Go to page. Jan 17, 2017 #21 S. specneeds Member. Visit the SWFA.com site to check out our current specials. Let me know how it goes, and good luck! You should be getting closer to 3,200 fps with 140s. and 7mm-08 Rem. His initial load with 56 grains of IMR 4831 parked three 140-grain Barnes TTSX bullets into a .5” group. Poll Question: For bigger than deer and up to DG, which one is more better :). In all honestly except for a current model Vanguard S2 SS in 257 I've I just was wondering how much of a gain would it be to have the extra 300 fps for range and wind conditions. treatment. However the ballistic coefficient of equal weight bullets favors .270 caliber bullets over 7mm (.284) bullets of similar design. There are faster .284 cartridges out there than the .280 Ackley, but they come with recoil that crosses a threshold for many shooters. All Rights Reserved. IMO Weatherby's 280 Remington chambers can be easily converted to 280 AI. I'm trying the 150g LRAB's BC = .625 in my Accumark this fall. barrels limits how long the bullets can be. Reader K. Akins recently wrote to ask which cartridge I thought would benefit the most from conversion to Ackley Improved: the 260 Remington, 270 Winchester, or 7mm-08 Remington. The .280 Ackley Improved is—you guessed it—the .280 Remington with the taper removed and the shoulder angle revised to 40 degrees. Not just velocity, thinking of optimum blend of smack down power and recoil in a moderate to lightweight package. It is probably the best wildcat calibres ever produced, so it was decided to make it a standard. Basically, availability of styles and weights of bullets put the 280 ahead of the 270 . I load 64g MRP behind the 140g Sierra and this is safe in my rifle;it will stay right with my 7mm mag. What I wanted to tell Mr. Hankins was that a 1.5” grouping rifle is nothing to be ashamed of. built by, Speaking of the 280 A.I., reader D. Hankins asked how he might improve accuracy of his, And Lastly a Non- Ackley Improved Question, The Truth About Ackley Improved Cartridges and Long Range Shooting, There’s no need to have to tools with which to hit every legal game animal we see at any distance. You may have better ones, so please send them via our comments section. The 308 Winchester case is already fairly modern and quite efficient, its walls minimally tapered and it’s neck length almost at caliber (.303”) for a secure, straight grip on long bullets. But MV was a disappointing 2,700 fps. Which Cartridge Benefits Most from Ackley Improved Treatment? I’m also having a 25-06 A.I. An MOA rifle would keep all shots inside a 5” circle at 500. I get the most velocity with Norma MRP and Reloader 22 in my 280 Ackley. Super B.C. 280 Ackley Improved 280 Ackley Improved Case: Nosler Primer: Federal 210 Case Trim: 2.525” Barrel Length: 24” Twist Rate: 1:9” Barrel: Bartlein Maximum Loads Should Be Used With Caution - Always Start With Minimum Loads. and 7mm-08 Rem. Think I'll keep it at 280 Ack. Or maybe go for the 270 WSM and stay in a short action. chambers with LOTS of freebore isn't conducive to exceptional accuracy It is also a better cross over for mountain elk. Nevertheless, many shooters have ignored his advice, feeling the slight velocity gain with 150-grain bullets makes the 270 A.I. Also consider how hot the barrel is getting. In doing this we are free to select how we shall hunt: long range rifles and laser range-finding scopes or lever-action 30-30s with open sights or flintlock muzzleloaders, bows, spears, slingshots… Within the laws, rules, and regulations of our various states we are free to draw a line in the sand and play the hunting “game” as we wish. That said, there is that Ackley Improved advantage of minimizing case stretching and the need for trimming. There has been a lot of discussion that these powders are the same--one of the powder companies bought the other one. I found a 280 AI in a kimber and couple 270 wsm. (Anyone who isn’t exactly sure what Ackley Improved means can learn the details in this earlier blog.). Our .280 AIs have an ultrahard head, and a thicker web which allows them to tolerate high pressure. VS 30-06. Mr. Spomer has hunted with sling shots, spears, recurve bows, compound bows, air guns, cap lock muzzleloaders, iron-sight revolvers and autoloaders, 19th century lever-actions, 20th century scoped 30-06 bolt-actions and autoloaders, some of today's most elaborate super rifles and scopes, and everything in between. I've been having great luck with them lately in several calibers. It is our most honest and natural way to gather sustenance, both material and spiritual. In the heavier bullets (150gn & above) of similar design the .280 … I like the 7mm bullets, but something about another wby to go with my 257 sounds fun. That the .280 AI can be built on a standard long action with a 30-06/.270 bolt face and magazine box is an added bonus. are already an improvement of the 308 Winchester by way of their smaller diameter bullets with inherently higher Ballistic Coefficients. Taking the .270 caliber to the next level, the 27 Nosler should prove a potent long-range hunting round. (1/2" or less groups). The 260 Rem. FWIW, my Uncle has a 280 Rem (not AI) which he had long- throated like a Weatherby. 270 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) Load Data; 270 Weatherby Magnum Load Data; 7mm Mauser (7×57) Load Data; 7mm-08 Remington Load Data; 284 Winchester Load Data; 280 Remington Load Data; 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data; 280 Ackley Improved Load Data; 7mm Winchester Short Magnum Load Data; 7mm Remington Magnum Load Data; 7mm Weatherby Magnum Load Data; … Go with a 7mm SAUM. Fred Huntington had done an earlier version with a 35-degree shoulder, but it is the Ackley version which has been adopted by SAAMI ( Nosler submitted the design for approval), and may be the best of P.O. I’ve also had superb results with Berger’s 168-grain VLD Hunting. Top . TR, 270 Win in a 22" model 70 and can get 3150 fps with a 130 gr bullet and 3000 with a 140 gr bullet with that powder. I’m also having a 25-06 A.I. J. Frischkorn read my Swarovski dS super scope (rangefinder, electronic, and digital — you can read details in this blog) and that prompted this question: “Prior to using these new “super scopes” how good were you at range estimation, Ron? 2 Posts . Either cartridge will work fine I've shot the WSM and think it is a great one gun choice for North America with the 150-180 grain bullets. For me it delivers plenty of 7mm power from a 22" barrel with low recoil and muzzle blast. bullets setting sail at 4,000 fps from 1/16 MOA rifles guided by. Ackley was also a fan of the .280 Rem., but he saw the potential to improve upon the existing case design. Mr. Ackley had a lot of influence on me in the earlier days and out of respect for his help, most of my .280 Imp. Out of what I'm looking at, it comes chambered in 308, 280 AI, 30-06, and 270. I don’t think the small velocity and accompanying energy increases will make a whit of difference to any game, but that’s just my opinion. Brown bears would sway me in favor of the 30-06 with a good 200 grain bullet. *Most Accurate Load C Compressed Load 1. The 260 Rem. JD338 Post subject: Re: .280 A.I. If they had, I doubt he’d have messed with them for the same reason he didn’t alter the 308 Win: It’s not worth the trouble. Ackley’s designs. I have a 270 it just has seen better days. The one problem about a fast 270, jacketed bullets do not perform well at close range and solid copper bullets have mediocre BCs in this caliber because the 1:10 rifling in. Discussion Starter • #1 • Nov 26, 2015. These velocities are close to the Wby Mag., and recoil will be less. Don't give up in the 270Win. As sometimes happens in the world of rifle cartridges, the 280 AI (Ackley Improved) is becoming more popular than its parent, the excellent 280 Remington. Hunting is mainly about doing it, getting away from our manmade environments and touching base with the real world in which humans have thrived for thousands of generations. You have two of the best big game rifles ever made. He’s even used it on African plains game. _____ Lynn Last edited by Ridgerunner665 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:57 am, edited 1 time in total. Several aspects make the .280 Imp. The 7mm-08 AI? 5 Great Scout Rifles. Reader K. Akins recently wrote to ask which cartridge I thought would benefit the most from conversion to Ackley Improved:  the 260 Remington, 270 Winchester, or 7mm-08 Remington. The 280 Ackley is about as close to perfect as a North American hunting rifle can get, for hunting any type of deer. A Few Kind Words About the .280 Remington. Guns. Warning: Only use Peterson Cartridge Co. casings in firearms in good condition, designed, marked, and chambered for this cartridge. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors © document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) Light barrels sometimes benefit from full length glass bedding. Made in the U.S.A. Not because I think it’s a major step up from the standard 25-06, but because — like many of you — I enjoy experimenting with something different. Best group (0.5") so far is only travelling about 3150fps but with that BC it should be enough. But if the recoil is to much then back to the drawing board. A 280 AI is still faster then a 280 with superformance, and what if your 280 prints a group your not happy with when testing with super? August 2, 2006. The rifle's accuracy didn't suffer and he has taken CO elk beyond 400 yards, more than once. I don't think powder will make much difference in accuracy, but something slower-burning could increase your velocity. .280 Remington vs .270 Winchester. That thing on the left....my old ride, some days I miss her. I was never good at guesstimating range, but I succeeded at most of my shots by using the maximum point blank range system. Not that 100 fps slower hurts anything. Hankins asked if I thought he should try some AccuBond bullets. a bit more effective for elk, moose, etc. never gotten the accuracy out of a Weatherby rifle (especially the Mark As for the old 270 Winchester, Ackley considered it already borderline overbored in its native state, so didn’t recommend giving it his A.I. Hunt honest and shoot straight, everyone. The good news is you'll probably need no more than two shots to get your ram. Ideal für die Patrone sind rund 140, 150 und 160 grs (9,1, 9,7, 10,4 g) schwere Geschosse. (Anyone who isn’t exactly sure what Ackley Improved means can learn the details in this earlier blog.) P.O. That level of consistency should keep all bullets inside a 7.5” circle at 500 yards. Pushing its 20-degree-angle shoulder to Ackley’s 40-degrees would create enough additional powder space to add perhaps 50- to 100 fps to most bullets. For what it's worth, a Weatherby dealer I met in Louisville, Ky chose and used the .270 Weatherby magnum as his favorite  of all the Weatherby rifles he carried. I think the 270 Wby pushing 150 gr pills would be a great setup. Russell E. Taylor. I already have a 280 Ackley. But what I see on your target is often due to a hot barrel. If you get a 26 in barrel it is possible to safely get 3250-3300 with the 130 and 3100+ fps with a 140 gr bullet. a bit more effective for elk, moose, etc. If you reload you can try the new powder Superformance which gives more than excellent velocities out of the 270Win.I have a plain Jane, It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. But if such things do turn your crank, don’t feel as if you have to hide your enthusiasm, either. I'd definitely try other bullets. Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:38 pm . I’m afraid I don’t have encouraging advice for Mr. Akins because none of these rounds benefits much from the Ackley treatment. 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