The resulting reservoir holds 77 grains of water with a 175-grain bullet seated to Over-All Cartridge Length (measured base to tip of bullet.). The 7mm Remington Ultra Mag uses a larger capacity case and, loaded to the same MAP, has the potential to outperform the .28 Nosler, although not by a lot. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM. Of course, you can exactly match 7mm ballistics with a .308 bullet if BC and MV are identical. Can't say about a 7mm rum but I don't think you would regret switching to 28 nosler. Typical 140- to 175-grain, .284 slugs are wide enough to resist bending (a problem Bell had with tough, thick elephant bones) yet narrow enough to minimize drag. It is ammonia based so ventilation is nice. Few who own rifles chambered for the new cartridge and take good care of them will wear out a barrel during a lifetime of hunting. I spoke with a local smith on Friday about a future build, its going to be a Nosler 28. Ron Spomer. performance without stepping up to a full magnum length cartridge and rifle action was Nosler’s goal. Those are some impressive numbers. I've recently found Enviroclean FA works well without the stink. Like the 7mm STW and 7mm RUM, the .28 Nosler is seriously over-bore. I've not accurately counted range rounds but it's a lot..purchased shortly after caliber roll out. Going to a 28-inch barrel provides more volume for burning those big doses of slow-burning powder, adding 50 to perhaps 100 fps to 26-inch barrel velocities. Yes, the .28 Nosler wins the ballistic competition with the RUM right on its heels. It's too nice of a rifle to give up on and I won't sell it if not up to snuff performance wise. Please welcome the 28 Nosler® as the most powerful 7mm cartridge commercially available today. But he said if he slowed the bullet down to 3050fps he could get 7 reloads per brass. Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. 28 Nosler Brass.280 Remington Brass.280 Ackley Improved Brass Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, I’d look harder at the RUM. This suggests the “overbore” charge could be leveled at the .28 Nosler, too, but then you’d have to stick the 7mm Rem. 1:9 7mm Remington Magnum 26 in. Is it a factory or custom gun to start with? This friction-free bullet jump allows it to break inertia more easily. And more recoil. With over 18,000 posts though I suspect you know all of this already but just my two cents. If you want 7mm magnum performance, you’ll have to change tires (barrels) now and then. Mag. The U.S.A. hasn’t fully adopted the metric system, but our shooters and hunters have.

Or overall? 7mm vs 300 win vs 28 nosler. The 28 Nosler has an average chamber life of no more than 500 rounds. might not sound like a big deal until you start maneuvering it in and out of cases, trucks, scabbards, and forests. bullet have what it takes for hunting anything short of dangerous game. That results in performance like this: Whoa grandma! Seems as though you have only tried the lighter bullets, don't know for sure. Carefully spaced shots (don’t overheat the barrel) always extend life, as does each shooter’s accuracy demands. Check out the 10 mph right-angle wind deflection at 400 yards: just 7.82 inches. was a little overboard). They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. It may not display this or other websites correctly. New 7mm Ultra Mag rifles are available from Remington and Montana Rifle Company. Factory ammo is advertised as being higher in velocity for the 28 Nosler. Mag. Fill this brass case with smokeless powder instead of water and, according to some handloading guides, 62.5 grains of Reloader 22 should shove a 175-grain bullet from a 24-inch barrel 2,870 fps. Barrels are like truck tires. Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:53 am . As with any of the “super magnum” sized cartridges that are necked down to smaller calibers, slow powders will work best. I plan on seeing which one my rifle shoots best. Engineers made three modifications that ensured popularity: they shortened the case to fit standard-length actions. A bigger concern might be barrel heating and subsequent “wandering.” Thin barrels tend to distort slightly with heat, opening up groups. The 28 Nosler is pretty much the same as a 7mm STW or a RUM, I've owned both and not really overwhelmed with either of them. That was the 7x57mm re-branded for the non-metric British Rigby rifle. 1:10 30 Nosler 26 in. And at sensible hunting distances even a basic MPBR hunter should have find more than 90 percent of his shooting opportunities covered by the Rem Mag. Mag. The .28 Nosler of 2015 was their solution. If you’re going to tackle an elk or mule deer with a 180-grain bullet at around 2,900 fps, the 7mm version in that bullet weight will shoot flatter, drift less, and put more energy on target than the .308 version. Hi Everyone, I have a 7mm Rem Mag and am between the 140g or 160g Nosler Trophy Grade-Accubond ammunition. Power, ac… And that means more powder. Hunting gifts received-let’s see/hear ‘em. 1:10 300 Winchester Magnum 26 in. Despite all this powder volume, reloading guides all indicate the 7mm RUM tops out at around 3,150 fps with a 26-inch barrel, slightly slower than the .28 Nosler. Would the 300 prc recoil be greater than 28 nosler on a scoped rifle in the 9.5 pound range? You go long. All we know is it's a 7 RUM that doesn't shoot to your expectations which are you didn't say what that is. We Wanted to Change the Narrative”. The only reason why I would choose the 7mm-300wm over the 28 Nosler is chamber life. Extremely accurate, quite a bit less recoil and almost the same as my 300 was with less powder. Short, light barrels just don’t do justice to high temperature, high velocity, high pressure, overbore magnum cartridges. OK. Got it. I only know a few who shoot 7rums and they all shoot heavy for caliber rounds and find them to be very picky at times. JavaScript is disabled. At 1000 yds. I'd stay 7mm and rebarrel. I neither believe in this minimum nor in shooting elk at 700 yards, but this is impressive performance for a standard-length cartridge nearing its 60th birthday. Have Ryan Pierce rebarrel, blueprint, and bed. A Coveted Moose Tag Reveals the Complicated Reality of Western Big-Game Hunting, Why a Shotgun Is the Best Option for Home Defense—Plus 3 Guns You Should Buy. I will say if you want to keep it a RUM do like mtmuley says and go to the 300 or 338. Shop Nosler Products. Despite all this powder volume, reloading guides all indicate the 7mm RUM tops out at around 3,150 fps with a 26-inch barrel, slightly slower than the .28 Nosler. Have you tried different bullet weights at different seating depths? I've brought several rifles back to life with Sweet's 7.62. So how do you choose among these three? Nosler developed this cartridge to equal or exceed both the 7mm Weatherby and 7mm Remington Ultra-Mag plus fit into a .30-06-length action. In an article published in American Hunter magazine Max loads from both cartridges handloaded through identical rifles with the same length barrels(26 inches) are shown that the 7mm RUM is faster but only by 25 fps. 175 gr. I'm in the process of having a 28 nosler built. They are more alike than different. The problem is brass for the rum and the cases are so long for the edge I really prefer it as a single shot. The rebarrel price is a wash. His bolt-action rifle was chambered for the confusing .275 Rigby. They sharpened the shoulder angle. I have a 7mm Mag that has a lot of throat erosion and fire cracking 7" up the barrel that still shoots 1" at 100yds with 3 shots. The completed case holds 90 grains of water with our 175-grain boattail spire point bullet seated. But they didn’t shorten anything. You are using an out of date browser. The 28 nosler is close to 7mm RUM but not quite there. However wanted to see if anyone thinks the 140g will be too light for elk? It is based on the fat, belt-free 404 Jeffery case, but Nosler likely just started with the 7mm RUM which is itself a modified Jeffery. The extra heat required to reach hyper speed eats away at barrel throats rather quickly. And it will likely penetrate farther because more of its mass rides in the long shank behind its nose. Adding two inches of barrel to the 24 inches of our 7mm Rem. I ended up sacrificing one of the custom 7mm R.E.M. Crown dent could be problem also. 1:10 300 WSM 24 in. The situation is mule deer and elk hunting in the northwest and shooting within 400 yards. In 2001 Remington looked to the old .404 Jeffery case for its ultra-speedy 7mm. The .308 just has to be quite a bit heavier. The rim of the RUM was already rebated to fit a .534-inch bolt face. While the 7mm RUM isn't loaded at the factory to be as fast it does have the higher powder capacity. for my brand of hunting. .284 bullets to fit the bores of all 7mm cartridges come in a wide variety of shapes and weights from 100 grains to 180 grains—adequate for everything from coyotes to big bears. with the same label, since it burns about 10 grains more powder than the .280 Rem. After I get the copper out I like to polish the bore with JB compound. We are now conversant in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7.62mm — and especially 7mm. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Partition (.519 BC/.310 SD) at 3125 fps. Have you checked for copper fouling? Based on the non-belted, rebated-rim 404 Jeffrey case, the 7mm RUM is without a doubt the highest performing .284 caliber cartridge commercially loaded today. Retained mass helps maintain momentum. Improving 7mm Rem. To be fair,they only got 2725 with the 7mm-08,and 3195 with the 28 Nos So I ran the 10 mph 1000 yd wind numbers 7mm-08 : 82 in drift,7.8 MOA 7mm Rem Mag:72.5 in drift,6.9 MOA 28 Nos 64.4 in drift,6.1 MOA So,at 1000 yds,7-08 vs 7mm Rem mag, drift is approx 7 ft vs 6 feet. Tags: .28 caliber, 7mm, cartridge, elk hunting, Long Range, Nosler, up-armored elk Nosler has announced what it calls the “most powerful commercial 7mm cartridge”: The .28 Nosler. I am under the impression that the 7mm generally shoots flatter within 500 yards. There are now at least 14 7mm cartridges being manufactured in the U.S. with several wildcats waiting in the wings. Three quid k shots can overheat a thin barrel and turn a 1 MOA rifle into a 2 MOA. Style, panache and efficiency. It shoots farther, … By accepting you will be accessing a service provided by a third-party external to https://www.huntpost.com/, Copyright 2016-2020. PX Member. Meanwhile, over in Africa a Scottish commercial ivory hunter named Bell was making the little 7x57mm famous as a BIG big game round by dropping some 800 elephants with it. The 28 nosler is close to 7mm RUM but not quite there.
During firing, the bullet had to free-travel 0.120 inch prior to engaging the rifling. Mag., the .28 Nosler wins the muzzle velocity race by about 200 fps but burns roughly 18 grains more powder to do it. 7-08 vs 28 Nos,its (drumroll) a foot and a half. Full-magnum action long. And in the chambers of their rifles. 28 Nosler also uses the standard magnum bolt face (.540) instead of the larger .585 bolt face of the Norma. We’ll use a 10-inch diameter target zone for computing Maximum Point Blank Range. Some are claiming as little as 600-round barrel life for RUM, 1,000 rounds for .28 Nosler, 2,000 for Rem. If you go with a hot 7mm, get one with a fairly heavy barrel contour. It also has a small dent on the interior concentric of the crown...factor? 1:10 30-06 Springfield 24 in. 7mm Bullets . 1:10 24 in. We have updated our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy as of May 5th, 2020. The .28 Nosler is a shortened version of the 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. A barrel “shot out” for target competition might remain more than accurate enough for big game hunting. Keep it RUM, go .30 or .338. mtmuley. Let’s compare three cartridges that do that; the old 7mm Rem. If low, then consider the Nosler. Obviously greater the gap when using lighter bullets as they a shorter. I can step up to a 30 magnum and do better for the same price in recoil. Compared against the familiar, 53-year-old 7mm Rem. Worth considering. Because the 7mm RM is a familiar benchmark, let’s establish some basic performance numbers in an 8 pound rifle with 24-inch barrel spitting a representative spire point, boat tail, 175-grain hunting bullet, B.C. I believe to get the most benefit out of the 28 nosler you need to have it chambered using a custom reamer with a longer throat to be able to utilize as much of the case as possible with the heavy for caliber bullets. The company is billing the 28 Nosler as the most powerful 7mm cartridge available today. Neither caught on, but American shooters were certainly beginning to recognize the potential for 7mm cartridges. Given the same basic form and muzzle velocity (MV), a 180-grain, .284 bullet will fly flatter, drift less, and retain more energy downrange than a 180-grain .308 bullet . Moose by the dozens have fallen to the 7mm Rem. LRH is a good source. This is Not a New Thing, Finding the Perfect Grouse Gun is a Lifelong Pursuit, “It Was About Representation. Minuteman. 215's are on my to do list. The 175-grain 28 Nosler is topped with an AccuBond LR bullet and has a muzzle velocity of 3,125 fps. This is probably too high for real world hunting, but we’ll use it as a standard here for cartridge-to-cartridge comparison consistency.). I have not done a 33 nosler, but have done plenty of 338 edges and rums. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bullets—just faster. Overall cartridge length of the 7mm RUM is 3.6 inches, right there with a .375 H&H Magnum. The goal of the 26 & 28 Nosler® cartridges was to introduce something to the shooting sports industry that took full advantage of new technology available to shooters today including the advance of optics, reticle systems and of course high Ballistic Coefficient (B.C.) More than 1,900 ft-lbs of energy at 700 yards. I had done (3 custom 7mm R.E.M. They share a maximum body diameter of 0.550 inch. Is Handloading Rifle Ammunition Really Worth It? 1/2 minute and 3150 with Berger 195's. Updated August 2018.The 7mm Practical is a cartridge of my own design. 1:8 300 RUM 26 in. I do like the nosler brass a lot even if it is pricey. 1:10 300 PRC 26 in. Mag. High-velocity cartridges are high velocity for a reason. and a high B.C. Clearly the 7mm Rem. 7mm-08 Remington 24 in. Here's the thing...have a 7 RUM Ultra that, to be truthful, has never achieved geek accuracy and it seems to be getting worse. It's been Mickey'd and Kampfeld'd but not bedded. Then Remington blew the doors wide open with their new 7mm magnum chambered in their equally new and affordable M700 rifles. GJ. But, were I young and tough and starting from scratch, I might be lured into the .28 Nosler. with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. 1:9 28 Nosler 26 in. The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. Oct 10, 2007 1,136 772 CEO Team waffle house. Mag. The new Berger 245 grain .30 would make up my mind. Most hunters who resist target practice can get a lifetime of good accuracy out of these 7mms. .672., MV 2,900 fps. They straightened the sidewalls. When I add this up, I default to the 7mm Rem. This compromise should account for the slower muzzle velocities many rifles produce with factory loads and safe handloads. I suspect throat issues. Fill this with 88 grains of slow burning Reloader 33 powder and, according to the Nosler Reloading Guide 8, you should get 3,211 fps from a 26-inch barrel. Above the .270 and into the 7mm category (actually 7.2mm) is the 7 mm Weatherby Magnum based on the 300 H & H case and shoots a 139 grain head at 3300 fps and the 7mm Dakota which uses the same 404 Jeffrey Case as the 26 Nosler, it is smack between the 120 grain head with Mv of 3400 fps in the 7mm Dakota and the 139 grain head with Mv of 3300 fps. This is a long-range dream cartridge for sure. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. Less well known in the U.S. (but more ballistically advanced) was the 7mm Weatherby Magnum from the early 1940s. I have not kept an accurate record of the number of rounds fired, but it has accounted for a lot of game during the past 27 years, including a record-book interior grizzly in Alaska in 2010. Now let’s compare this to our other two 7mm candidates. And the if the numbers Nosler has provided on the two variants it’s releasing are on the mark, there is little arguing the cartridge has plenty of snap. mtmuley, Check out what the 215 and 230 Berger can do. Part of this is due to the .40 inches of freeborn Remington builds into its 7mm RUMs to minimize chamber pressures on ignition. I believe to get the most benefit out of the 28 nosler you need to have it chambered using a custom reamer with a longer throat to be able to utilize as much of the case as possible with the heavy for caliber bullets. This is not a rifle you want to weave through dog-hair timber. But if you suspect a 26-inch barrel might be a bit unwieldy, wait’ll you haul around a 28-inch. The additional reach is tempting, but I’d pay the price with a 26-inch, fairly heavy barrel. benchmstr Sergeant. Let’s compare three cartridges that do that; the old 7mm Rem. Mag. Nosler really hampered the performance of that round with the 3.340" COAL length. But despite the best of efforts, case loss will be high due to wrinkling. The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. Lots of hiking, backpacking, climbing, shooting to 450 yards, maybe 500 yards. Handloaders can take advantage of all these, but most commercial ammunition features 120-grain to 178-grain bullets. You might think Remington started the 7mm cartridge trend in 1962 with its famous 7mm Remington Magnum, but by then the 7mm Mauser was already well known. Just 5 inches of drop at 400 yards and 6.8 inches of wind deflection. _____ Lynn Last edited by Ridgerunner665 on Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:10 am, edited 1 time in total. 1:9 308 Winchester 20 in. Indeed, over the years my 7mms have handled this stuff. A bigger concern might be barrel heating and subsequent “wandering.” Thin barrels tend to distort slightly with heat, opening up groups. 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