Tactical is an improved case vs Practical being straight neck down of 223. I won't comment on the 223ai because I don't know enough about that round. The 20 Tactical has a longer neck and most of the time a 30 degree shoulder. I bought a XR-100 in 204 Ruger last year, and it shot poorly. .204 Ruger - available off-the-shelf ammo, available (Winchester) factory brass, probable velocity edge over 20 Practical/20 Tactical due to slightly larger case capacity; slightly longer case leaves less room for bullets that I want to run (Berger 55gr) vs. .223-based 20s The .20 Tactical was designed by Todd Kindler and predates the .204 Ruger factory round. It has 100% feeding and function in an AR-15 and more - - - Tend to use the 20TAC more just because I like the rifle more. The 20 Practical uses .223 Remington brass necked down to 20 cal. Well, Recover Tactical just entered the game with their budget-friendly option at just $99.95, while the Flux Brace retails for $259. A 20" barrel will be inherently better consistently at shorter ranges, such as those in an urban environment, such as a Police Sharpshooter, where precision is the key, and not range. If you shoot the light weight 20 cal bullets (32grs), then it is not a caliber that has much to recommend it. The 20 TAC is a 24" Shilen barreled AR and the 204's I have are two 25" CZ 527's and a 26" Remington 700. The .20 Tactical was designed by Todd Kindler and predates the .204 Ruger factory round. I went with the 20p over the 20t because the case forming is simple. Is there a dramatic improvement with a 20 Tact/Prac over a .204 Ruger? .204 Ruger vs .20 Tactical/Practical. The case has approximately 0.2 grams (3 gr) less powder capacity than the popular .204 Ruger. The Tactical 20 has been a learning experience for me all the way through the projects. I would think that a standard 20 Prac would be the same. It also had other problems, like a gouge in the chamber, so Rem replaced it with a new rifle. I have been considering these two instead of building a 204 Ruger. Of course we wanted something innovative, but the key reason is that the 20 Practical offers better ballistics than the .223 Rem with light bullets, and the 20 Practical shares few, if any, of the drawbacks of a typical "wildcat" cartridge. I did see a few 20 Tactical rifles made with a 23 degree shoulder like … .204 Ruger vs .20 Tactical/Practical Discussion in 'AR Talk' started by abijohn, Nov 5, 2013. 20 Practical requires no forming die and no fire forming. Facebook. Running either h322,h335 or benchmark will give me very tiny groups. December 7th, 2010 20 Practical AR Uppers Deliver Great Accuracy. 30 and 40 degree shoulders? The 20 is easier to use and own, fits in small cases and is lighter. The 20 Tactical can be made from .223 Remington brass but there is also factory brass for it made by Lapua. Expected delivery will be from 6 to 12 weeks depending on caliber selected and production schedules. Re: 20 Tactical vs 204 in an AR Post by rbp75503 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:24 pm When I was considering a 223 based .20cal as a companion of my .204 Ruger upper I went with a 20 Practical upper. The dream is to find my way out west to give some Pdogs some air time. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. This caliber is a great choice when you’re looking for 4200 FPS or better velocities and you are shooting from a fixed position such as prairie dog shooting. Email. I have a 20p in an ar and love it. Plus the speed is close to the 204. He feels that it will allow him to see the hits on prairie dogs better than the .204 and certainly better than his .22-250. I hope test more bullets in the near future and get back after some coyotes pretty quick. It did not say what you were going to use the rifle for. I am also considering a .223 AI. Any thoughts or suggestions? 20 Practical — Easy, Accurate, Affordable Wildcat. December 7th, 2010 20 Practical AR Uppers Deliver Great Accuracy. I have more guns than needed, but not as many as I want. The .20 Tactical is a wildcat centerfire rifle cartridge, based on the .223 Remington case, necked down to fire a 5.2 millimetres (0.204 in) caliber bullet. The difference in the powder capacity is 2 tenths of a grain with the 20 Tactical having the slight edge there. Because of the promising results on the 700 action, I am currently building an AR-15 upper in 20 practical and can't wait to shoot that. You can buy 20 Tactical brass from Dakota Arms, or … 20 Tac Lapua brass is great but a bit pricey, but it lasts a long time. You can buy 20 Tactical … A search here could bring up lots of good data, no expert but I'll give you my 2 cents. I also have a 22-250 in a bolt action, a couple AR's in .223 in various barrel lengths and twists. Depending on what you hear regarding the little plastic tip on the end of the bullet that measures about .1 inch a 1-12 twist will work if the tip is not measured but if everything is … It has 100% feeding and function in an AR-15 and more - - - In 2008, as a “proof-of-concept”, AccurateShooter.com created a 20 Practical AR15 “Ultimate Varminter” with a custom 20-caliber upper from Robert Whitley. AR15 .20 Practical caliber barrel with extension 416R stainless steel 3 polygonal rifling. 20 Practical — Easy, Accurate, Affordable Wildcat. But either way there is so little difference between the two. This time Tracy has certainly stepped up the game, by making an experiment he calls qrp versus 20 watts, what are the practical differences. Content tagged with 20 Tactical. The 11 means that this is a 1-11 twist. 20 Tactical vs 20 Practical Small Caliber Discussion Board. ... All 4 clean one shot kills with the 20 practical, the other two to a 6mmBR. Don't know when that will happen, if at all. It also had other problems, like a gouge in the chamber, so Rem replaced it with a new rifle. Home / AR-15 /.20 Practical /.20 Practical caliber 24″ length.20 Practical caliber 24″ length $ 324.99. The neck length on the 20 Tactical is a bit longer, but there is still plenty of neck on the 20 Practical to grip the popular bullets, such as the 32gr V-Max. Re: 204 v 20 tactical. The new .224 Valkyrie for AR15-platform rifles has garnered lots of attention lately. The .20 Tactical is a wildcat centerfire rifle cartridge, based on the .223 Remington case, necked down to fire a 5.2 millimetres (0.204 in) caliber bullet. 20 Tactical vs 20 Practical Small Caliber Discussion Board. The new .224 Valkyrie for AR15-platform rifles has garnered lots of attention lately. WhatsApp. I also have a 220 Swift barrel sitting unmounted in the corner (big Savage fan). Yes, size does matter, but sometimes the biggest isn’t the best for everyone. Some people can handle it and some can’t. From the gun smithing to the reloading to the testing at the range and in the field it has been fun and educational for me. No fire forming of the brass. okay .. a little more info. Here some confusion comes in. Serie A 2019/20: Lecce vs Juventus – tactical analysis. The .204 Ruger is factory-loaded, but the 20 Tactical is the far better and more practical 20 calibre, and suits British vermin or fox shooters perfectly. The “20 Practical” is a great little cartridge created by simply necking down the .223 Remington to 20 caliber. Mine shoots 40gr Bergers in one hole at 100yds and almost as good with the 40 Vmax. The 50gn loads to right around 2.30" and the 55gn to 2.35". .204 Ruger vs .20 Tactical/Practical. Also tried some 38gr sierra's and they shot good but I can't always find them locally. Sounds like you want to use the magazine, make up or borrow some 20 Tac rounds and make sure they feed at length and bullets you hope to use. I agree with armarsh that the 20 practical should have been the 204 because it is a very efficient cartridge. A friend seems to be enamored of the .20 Practical, which is, I believe, a .223 simply necked down to .20 caliber with no other changes. You’ve probably heard of the “20 Tactical”, Todd Kindler’s 20-cal cartridge based on the .223 Remington necked down to 20 Caliber, with the shoulder modified to 30° and pushed back. A shotgun can be too heavy, kick too much, or penetrate too much. Have not tried any other powders. Without checking, I think Tac is 30 something degree shoulder vs 20 something for … Joined: Jan 10, 2013 Messages: 41. That said, let’s talk size. .204 Ruger vs .20 Tactical/Practical. They suffered from a terrible away form, which their last away victory was in January. I shoot them from my .204 with a 1:9 Shilen, but what it leaves me with is an auto-ejecting, manual loading, single shot rifle. The 20 Tactical and 20 Practical, as cartridges, are similar. My 20 Prac barrel is a 26" Shillen SS select match with a 10T and a heavy varmint contour. The reason I would go with the 20t or the 20p is that it is a very easy wildcat round with very cheap brass. Hello Operators. Pros/cons??? All it takes is a Redding .223 bushing die with a smaller bushing and a .204 cal stem. I hope test more bullets in the near future and get back after some coyotes pretty quick. .204 Ruger vs .20 Tactical/Practical Discussion in 'AR Talk' started by abijohn, Nov 5, 2013. July 10th, 2018 The 20-Caliber Black Rifle — AR Chambered in 20 Practical. Thinking about spinning up a 20 practical (neck down .223 to .204) wanted to see if anyone here has messed with one, any powder bullet combos info appreciated. Sadly no 10mm or .45 ACP love. The difference in the powder capacity is 2 tenths of a grain with the 20 Tactical having the slight edge there. I assume most may pick the 20 Tactical, but I was wondering how much difference in performance there is between the two? Trigger will be a Rifle Basix Sav1. Rated 5.00 out of 5 based on 2 customer ratings (2 customer reviews) AR15 .20 Practical caliber barrel with extension 416R stainless steel 3 polygonal rifling. Good-quality Lapua brass casing can be sourced readily. My 32 grain loads in the 20 TAC and the 204 run between 4000 and 4150. abijohn Member. That was nice, but the new one doesn't shoot fer poop either. This caliber is a great choice when you’re looking for 4200 FPS or better velocities and you are shooting from a fixed position such as prairie dog shooting. Been … You can use range brass to make 20 Practical cases and the dies cost much less that the 20 Tactical. Any concerns over the muzzle blast and sound/flash signature can easily be eliminated by the use of a sound suppressor (silencer). The Tactical 20 has been a learning experience for me all the way through the projects. He feels that it will allow him to see the hits on prairie dogs better than the .204 and certainly better than his .22-250. They are also great for self-defense purposes. If it feeds, go with the 20 tac. In truth, the 20 Practical is … Of the 4 that you listed I would go with the 20t or the 20p over the 204. Ratings: +0 / 0. While the 26 seems to have a lighter recoil. The 20 Practical (Left) next to a .223 Rem (Right). That new cartridge has gotten people thinking about the options for an AR shooter beyond the venerable .223 Remington (and 5.56x39mm NATO). 20 Practical if you want the ease of using readily available great brass. There are some really neat videos posted on I believe youtube about the AR-15 20-223 (20 practical). Or it dosen,t in my AR-15. I shoot them from my .204 with a 1:9 Shilen, but what it leaves me with is an auto-ejecting, manual loading, single shot rifle. 20 Practical brass to me is a lot easier to make from .223 Rem than is the 20 Tactical. Also, abilities change over time, for better or worse. ReddIt. Or it dosen,t in my AR-15. Comparing the 20 Practical and 20 Tactical Kevin tells us: "The 20 Practical and the 20 Tactical are almost identical cartridges. The 20 Practical has the power and capacity to drive many of the 20 Cal bullets 500+ fps faster than the .223 Rem can drive its comparable varmint weight bullets. .204 Ruger vs .20 Tactical/Practical HI All, was thinking of getting an upper in twenty caliber to shot varmints. I'm asking around for opinions. HI All, was thinking of getting an upper in twenty caliber to shot varmints. Run the brass through thedie with a .230 bushing and then run it through with the .225 bushing. For a nice table at … Redding s-dies with a 20cal decapping rod and a .230 and .225 bushing. Like a law enforcement or military shotgun, the tactical shotgun should have a short barrel, 18 inches is the shortest civilian-legal length (outside of shotgun-style firearms, s… Get a .20 Practical cut on a 1:9 or 1:8 blank. The 2nd pic is the barrel marking - 20 Practical (11). Todd invented a new 20 calibre based on the .223 case, resulting in the very modern .204 cartridge known as the 20 Tactical or Tac 20. That new cartridge has gotten people thinking about the options for an AR shooter beyond the venerable .223 Remington (and 5.56x39mm NATO). It is merely a necked down .223 with no other change. July 10th, 2018 The 20-Caliber Black Rifle — AR Chambered in 20 Practical. A 20 cal rifle with the heavier bullets (40gr V-Max) is a very flat shooting rifle, much like a 22-250, with less cost, recoil, and noise. It's headspace dimensions are identical to the .223 parent case. The 20 Practical (Left) next to a .223 Rem (Right). 20 Practical brass is a lot easier to make from .223 Rem than 20 Tactical. All the details aren’t released yet, but Recover Tactical confirmed on their Instagram post that their new 20/20 brace will fit all 9mm and .40 S&W Glock models that have a … Linkedin. Good luck. These high "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. A few days ago, Tottenham sacked Mauricio Pochettino, given the poor results in the 2019/20 campaign. I'm shooting a 20 Prac AI, I went this way because its just one pass with a .230 bushing in an "S" die and all I have to do is fire form. You can neck .223 cases down in one pass with a … 0. I already have a bolt action in 204R and 1 AR in 204R. October 28, 2019. Premier League 2019/20: West Ham vs Tottenham – tactical analysis. Steve. Thanx in advance The .20's come into their own as a varmint gun with the 50 and 55gn Berger VLDs. I'm shooting a 20 Prac AI, I went this way because its just one pass with a .230 bushing in an "S" die and all I have to do is fire form. My 32 grain loads in the 20 TAC and the 204 run between 4000 and 4150. This is a discussion on .204 Ruger vs .20 Tactical/Practical within the M16 AR15 forums, part of the Rifle Forum category; HI All, was thinking of getting an upper in twenty caliber to shot varmints. Mostly because of the over all length since I would be using a 223 donor which may not allow longer 204 rounds to fit the magazine. The objectives of all this are to produce moderate amounts of high quality ammo for varmint hunting using readily available components especially brass. I don't need one ... just looking for something a little different to play with. The last time I shared one his videos Tracy VE3TWM from Outdoors on the air took us along for the ARRL field day. The 20 Tactical and 20 Practical, as cartridges, are similar. I did try 32 and 40gr vmaxes and did not like them. I was thinking about getting into a "wildcat" cartridge and wondered if there was a big jump in accuracy with the 3 variations listed above. The WOA .20 Practical barrels are available in 20” and 24” lengths. Tactical pens are excellent tools for survival. The 50gn loads to right around 2.30" and the 55gn to 2.35". There are only slight differences in case Outside Diameter, shoulder angle, and case body length. Thinking of getting an upper for varmints and fun. Lecce and Juventus met in a match that left very attractive elements from the tactics and strategy of both coaches. From the gun smithing to the reloading to the testing at the range and in the field it has been fun and educational for me. The brass for the 20t or p is a heck of alot cheaper than the 204. A_Gamehog. Put the primer and powder in that you run in most of the 223's seat the bullet and go shoot. Nov 5, 2013 #1. abijohn Guest. Get a .20 Practical cut on a 1:9 or 1:8 blank. The 20 Practical uses .223 Remington brass necked down to 20 cal. I'm shooting a 20 Prac AI, I went this way because its just one pass with a .230 bushing in an "S" die and all I have to do is fire form. Been … The .204 Ruger is factory-loaded, but the 20 Tactical is the far better and more practical 20 calibre, and suits British vermin or fox shooters perfectly. You can use range brass to make 20 Practical cases and the dies cost much less that the 20 Tactical. Good luck sgtg. Robert . Nov 5, 2013 #1. abijohn Guest. Bob that's a new one on me what the differance between a TAC 20 and a Practical AI? The .20 Practical project is now in the ammo production phase. Telegram. I run the 26gr varmint grenades for pd and the 35gr bergers for yotes. Been looking on the internet and have found some info on .204 Ruger as well as .20 Tactical and Practical. The WOA .20 Practical barrels are available in 20” and 24” lengths. The 20 Practical is the same shoulder angle as the 223 and shouldn,t have any feeding problems in the Ar-15. The objectives of all this are to produce moderate amounts of high quality ammo for varmint hunting using readily available components especially brass. A friend seems to be enamored of the .20 Practical, which is, I believe, a .223 simply necked down to .20 caliber with no other changes. The velocity variations between the 20 Tactical, the 20 Practical and the 204 Ruger are so minuscule that there are no true differences. The eight-date of Serie A had a very interesting duel for tactical analysis. Lots of good bullets. ... Have a 20 Tactical that shoots bugholes. You can neck .223 cases down in one pass with a … The .20 Practical project is now in the ammo production phase. I'm asking around for opinions. In 2008, as a “proof-of-concept”, AccurateShooter.com created a 20 Practical AR15 “Ultimate Varminter” with a custom 20-caliber upper from Robert Whitley. The 20 Practical has the power and capacity to drive many of the 20 Cal bullets 500+ fps faster than the .223 Rem can drive its comparable varmint weight bullets. However, some tactical pens are just copycat trash, created by manufacturers who don’t really give a damn about quality. Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by abijohn, Nov 5, 2013. The Premier League is back! I have both a 20TAC and a 204R. HI All, was thinking of getting an upper in twenty caliber to shot varmints. Buy whichever .20 that turns you on. The powders I have on hand are Varget, Benchmark, H4895, H4198, H335, H322, BL-C(2), CFE223, RL 7, RL 10X, RL 15, IMR … You’ve probably heard of the “20 Tactical”, Todd Kindler’s 20-cal cartridge based on the .223 Remington necked down to 20 Caliber, with the shoulder modified to 30° and pushed back. Been looking on the internet and have found some info on .204 Ruger as well as .20 Tactical and Practical. Re: 204 v 20 tactical. From a practical standpoint, the differences between a 24- or 26-inch barrel and an 18- or 20-inch barrel are negligible, except when slow burning powders are used. In the real world there is little between the .204 Ruger, Vartarg, Tactical, Practical or any other of the more exotic wildcats. Dec 13, 2012 #3 Great article right here with load data. Todd invented a new 20 calibre based on the .223 case, resulting in the very modern .204 cartridge known as the 20 Tactical or Tac 20. Cheap plentiful brass. The RT 20/20 is designed for Gen 3 and up GLOCK pistols in the standard 9mm, .40, .357 SIG, and .45 GAP frames in compact or full-sized guns. That was nice, but the new one doesn't shoot fer poop either. The 20 TAC is a 24" Shilen barreled AR and the 204's I have are two 25" CZ 527's and a 26" Remington 700. The .20 PRACTICAL is also a .223rem case necked down to a .204" bullet, but does NOT have the shoulder pushed back, therefore it holds slightly more powder than the Tactical, offering about the same performance as the .204 Ruger, and giving reliable feeding in AR-15 platform rifles. That project rifle was ultra-accurate — every 5-shot group out of the gun was less than the size of a dime. I would be using this for target plinking and some light 'yote hunting. Here some confusion comes in, I did see a few 20 Tactical rifles made with a 23 degree shoulder like the .223 Rem, but with the longer neck. They include features designed specifically for emergencies such as a glass breaker and a flashlight. The 20 Tactical has a longer neck and most of the time a 30 degree shoulder. Owned a 204 and it was a shooter as well. These high The .20's come into their own as a varmint gun with the 50 and 55gn Berger VLDs. The Recover Tactical 20/20 is a much slimmer, sleeker brace that adds less bulk to your handgun. That project rifle was ultra-accurate — every 5-shot group out of the gun was less than the size of a dime. Twitter. José Mourinho is back! I like the rifle and the cartridge. Go on the Hodgdon website and use the loadings listed for the 20 Tactical - the two cartridges are almost identical as far as loadings go. ", The Official Predator Masters Search Engine. This is a discussion on .204 Ruger vs .20 Tactical/Practical within the M16 AR15 forums, part of the Rifle Forum category; HI All, was thinking of getting an upper in twenty caliber to shot varmints. The case has approximately 0.2 grams (3 gr) less powder capacity than the popular .204 Ruger. The velocity variations between the 20 Tactical, the 20 Practical and the 204 Ruger are so minuscule that there are no true differences. Kev. Ammo production can involve the use of … Anybody got any advise on the above calibers? The “20 Practical” is a great little cartridge created by simply necking down the .223 Remington to 20 caliber. Ratings: +0 / 0. I bought a XR-100 in 204 Ruger last year, and it shot poorly. I have a 20 and a 26" and have found only a small difference in muzzle speed. Why not the .223AI? Sat Sep 03, ... Id say custom chambered .204 Ruger vs .20 Tac, its more down to the guy who loads it. Good-quality Lapua brass casing can be sourced readily. The velocity's are running neck and neck with my 204's. For hunting, field shooting or travel I'd take the 20. The .20 PRACTICAL is also a .223rem case necked down to a .204" bullet, but does NOT have the shoulder pushed back, therefore it holds slightly more powder than the Tactical, offering about the same performance as the .204 Ruger, and giving reliable feeding in AR-15 platform rifles. The 20 Practical is the same shoulder angle as the 223 and shouldn,t have any feeding problems in the Ar-15. 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